Opened 10 years ago

Last modified 5 years ago

#2333 new enhancement

choose python interpreter during the GRASS installation on windows

Reported by: zarch Owned by: grass-dev@…
Priority: normal Milestone: 7.6.2
Component: Python Version: svn-trunk
Keywords: windows installer python interpreter Cc:
CPU: All Platform: MSWindows 8

Description

Using the Windows installer would be great to be able to choice which python interpreter must be used by GRASS.

Suppose that we have already installed a python interpreter like ​pythonxy, at the moment the GRASS installer use is own python interpreter therefore if I want to use any python packages from GRASS, like ​scipy or ​pandas I have, some how, to install these packages on the GRASS interpreter even if they are already present in pythonxy.

Do you think that would be possible to add this point to the GRASS installer? or It is not possible to add this option because GRASS must be compiled using the new interpreter? where should I look to try to add this option?

Any hints?

Change History (37)

in reply to:  description ; comment:1 by mlennert, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

Using the Windows installer would be great to be able to choice which python interpreter must be used by GRASS.

Suppose that we have already installed a python interpreter like ​pythonxy, at the moment the GRASS installer use is own python interpreter therefore if I want to use any python packages from GRASS, like ​scipy or ​pandas I have, some how, to install these packages on the GRASS interpreter even if they are already present in pythonxy.

Do you think that would be possible to add this point to the GRASS installer? or It is not possible to add this option because GRASS must be compiled using the new interpreter? where should I look to try to add this option?

Any hints?

​http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Handling-of-Python-scripts-on-MS-Windows-tt5081335.html

I would guess that this thread is probably one of the longest in grass-dev history. Have fun ! ;-)

Moritz

in reply to:  description ; comment:2 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

Using the Windows installer would be great to be able to choice which python interpreter must be used by GRASS.

Suppose that we have already installed a python interpreter like ​pythonxy, at the moment the GRASS installer use is own python interpreter therefore if I want to use any python packages from GRASS, like ​scipy or ​pandas I have, some how, to install these packages on the GRASS interpreter even if they are already present in pythonxy.

Do you think that would be possible to add this point to the GRASS installer? or It is not possible to add this option because GRASS must be compiled using the new interpreter? where should I look to try to add this option?

Any hints?

a first step would be to change

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/env.bat#L9 

9	set GRASS_PYTHON=%GISBASE%\extrabin\python.exe

to point to your already installed other python and test if this works (no idea if any other changes e.g. in wxgui are needed).

env.bat is AFAIR in a subfolder of C:\Program Files (x86)\GRASS GIS X.x

keep in mind, these other python should have compatible GRASS dependencies (e.g. numpy, wxpython, matplotlib,...).

if the change in env.bat works, the next step would be to add an option which python to use to the nsis-script:

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/GRASS-Installer.nsi.tmpl

in reply to:  2 comment:3 by hellik, 10 years ago

a first step would be to change

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/env.bat#L9 

9	set GRASS_PYTHON=%GISBASE%\extrabin\python.exe

oh, also this line has to be adapted:

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/env.bat#L10 

10	set PYTHONHOME=%GISBASE%\Python27

and should point to the pythonhome of your other python.

in reply to:  1 ; comment:4 by zarch, 10 years ago

Replying to mlennert:

​http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Handling-of-Python-scripts-on-MS-Windows-tt5081335.html

I would guess that this thread is probably one of the longest in grass-dev history. Have fun ! ;-)

Thanks Moritz, I saw the thread but it seems to me that it is not going anywhere, so I'm trying to change prospective. I think that my point is close but it is not the same. I'm not talking on how to execute automatically the GRASS scripts on windows, I'm talking on choosing the default interpreter that must be used by GRASS.

If I understood the long thread we were talking on how we can link the windows default python interpreter to run our scripts, if we have to use or not the default python interpreter. Instead here I'm talking to give to the user the chance of choosing which python interpreter must be used by GRASS, if not specify just use its own interpreter.

The problem if choosing a different python interpreter could be the ctypes binding of python that must be re-compiled, isn't it?

I don't want to use the default GRASS interpreter because I need other libraries that are not present on the GRASS python interpreter (GPyI) and install these libraries is not easy, generally they require to compile, and compile on windows is a pain.

The solution that I found and it is working so far, it is just to copy all the python/site-packages from pythonxy to the site-packages of the GPyI.

But it is just a work around, IMHO the best option should be to be able to choose during the installation process which one should be used by GRASS.

Pietro

in reply to:  4 ; comment:5 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

The solution that I found and it is working so far, it is just to copy all the python/site-packages from pythonxy to the site-packages of the GPyI.

But it is just a work around, IMHO the best option should be to be able to choose during the installation process which one should be used by GRASS.

Pietro

see my two comments above and change env.bat accordingly in L9 and L10.

if that works, the option logic has to be added in the nsis-installer script.

Helmut

in reply to:  4 ; comment:6 by glynn, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

The problem if choosing a different python interpreter could be the ctypes binding of python that must be re-compiled, isn't it?

No. The ctypes module allows you to define Python wrappers for C functions using only Python code. Nothing in a compiled GRASS package links against the Python DLL/DSO (there used to be a couple of binary components in wxGUI, but those have long since been removed).

in reply to:  5 ; comment:7 by zarch, 10 years ago

Replying to hellik:

see my two comments above and change env.bat accordingly in L9 and L10.

if that works, the option logic has to be added in the nsis-installer script.

Thanks Helmut. Sorry for the delay, but I had to install all on my windows environment to be free to test, before I was using the computer of one of my colleagues... :-)

ok, so I created a new bat file called: grass70svn_xy.bat that contains: 

set GISBASE=C:\Users\PZambelli\Documents\GRASS GIS 7.0.0svn

rem => add a environmental variable for pythonxy
set PY_XY=C:\Python27

rem => reading the env file for pxthonxy
call "%GISBASE%\etc\env_xy.bat"

cd "%USERPROFILE%"
"%GRASS_PYTHON%" "%GISBASE%\etc\grass70.py" %*

if %ERRORLEVEL% GEQ 1 pause

and in etc I added a new env_xy.bat file with: 

set GRASS_SH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin\sh.exe

set GRASS_HTML_BROWSER=chrome

rem GRASS_PYTHON=%GISBASE%\extrabin\python.exe
set GRASS_PYTHON=%PY_XY%\python.exe

rem PYTHONHOME=%GISBASE%\Python27
set PYTHONHOME=%PY_XY%

set GRASS_PROJSHARE=%GISBASE%\share\proj

set PROJ_LIB=%GISBASE%\share\proj
set GDAL_DATA=%GISBASE%\share\gdal
set GEOTIFF_CSV=%GISBASE%\share\epsg_csv

set PATH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin;%PATH%
set PATH=%GISBASE%\extrabin;%PATH%
set PATH=%GISBASE%\bin;%PATH%

Then I open a cmd prompt, I move to the GISBASE directory and run: grass70svn_xy.bat...

every is working without errors and the GUI is starting, from the GRASS cmd prompt I got: 

GRASS 7.0.0svn> python -c "import sys; print(sys.executable)"
c:\Users\PZambelli\Documents\GRASS GIS 7.0.0svn\extrabin\python.exe

and the same result from the GUI command console,

But from the command prompt if I check the GRASS_PYTHON environment it seems to be set correctly: 

GRASS 7.0.0svn> echo $GRASS_PYTHON$
C:\Python27\python.exe$

But I got this error If I try to use the GRASS_PYTHON interpreter: 

GRASS 7.0.0svn> $GRASS_PYTHON$
sh.exe": C:\Python27\python.exe$: No such file or directory

Instead the GUI Python shell is using the pythonxy interpreter: 

>>> import sys; sys.executable
C:\Python27\python.exe

So it seemes to work, I guess...

in reply to:  6 comment:8 by zarch, 10 years ago

Replying to glynn:

Replying to zarch:

The problem if choosing a different python interpreter could be the ctypes binding of python that must be re-compiled, isn't it?

No. The ctypes module allows you to define Python wrappers for C functions using only Python code. Nothing in a compiled GRASS package links against the Python DLL/DSO (there used to be a couple of binary components in wxGUI, but those have long since been removed).

Perfect! thank you for the clarification!

in reply to:  7 ; comment:9 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

But I got this error If I try to use the GRASS_PYTHON interpreter: 

GRASS 7.0.0svn> $GRASS_PYTHON$
sh.exe": C:\Python27\python.exe$: No such file or directory

try 

GRASS 7.1.svn> $GRASS_PYTHON

see no $ at the end (works here)

in reply to:  9 ; comment:10 by zarch, 10 years ago

Replying to hellik:

Replying to zarch:

But I got this error If I try to use the GRASS_PYTHON interpreter: 

GRASS 7.0.0svn> $GRASS_PYTHON$
sh.exe": C:\Python27\python.exe$: No such file or directory

try 

GRASS 7.1.svn> $GRASS_PYTHON

see no $ at the end (works here)

Right, It's working... sorry for the typo!

ok, next week I will try to look in to the nsis script to see if is it possible to add this option during the installation process.

Helmut Thanks for the help.

Pietro

in reply to:  10 ; comment:11 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

ok, next week I will try to look in to the nsis script to see if is it possible to add this option during the installation process.

some steps may be:

  • add e new installer gui-section "Customize python" (or something like that)
  • add some explanations to the gui-section "Customize python": e.g. compatible wxpython, numpy, matplotlib, etc. are needed, ...
  • default option: %GRASS_PYTHON% is the packaged python
  • user option: ask the user for the %PATH% to the user wanted python

technical implementation - some pointers:

  • let point %GRASS_PYTHON% to the user defined python:

a few years ago I've added two string replace functions to the nsis-script:

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/GRASS-Installer.nsi.tmpl#L104

​https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/trunk/mswindows/GRASS-Installer.nsi.tmpl#L338

use some of these functions to adjust %GRASS_PYTHON% and %PYTHONHOME% in env.bat to the user defined paths by a e.g. if/else statement

techn

in reply to:  11 ; comment:12 by zarch, 10 years ago

Replying to hellik:

Replying to zarch:

ok, next week I will try to look in to the nsis script to see if it is possible to add this option during the installation process.

some steps may be:

  • add e new installer gui-section "Customize python" (or something like that)
  • add some explanations to the gui-section "Customize python": e.g. compatible wxpython, numpy, matplotlib, etc. are needed, ...
  • default option: %GRASS_PYTHON% is the packaged python
  • user option: ask the user for the %PATH% to the user wanted python


Thank you Helmut for your help.

I'm not sure If I understood how to add a new section, I wrote: 

Section "Customize python" CustomizePython
	;Declares variables for optional Python interpreter
	Var /GLOBAL PYINTERPRETER
	Var /GLOBAL PYHOME

	;Set default values for the Python Interpreter
	${If} $ASK_FOR_PYINTERP == "NO"
		StrCpy $PYINTERPRETER "%GISBASE%\extrabin\python.exe"
	${Else}
		StrCpy $PYINTERPRETER "$INST_PYINTERP"
	${EndIf}

	;Set default values for the Python home folder
	${If} $ASK_FOR_PYHOME == "NO"
		StrCpy $PYHOME "%GISBASE%\Python27"
	${Else}
		StrCpy $PYHOME "$INST_PYHOME"
	${EndIf}


	;Create the etc\env.bat
	ClearErrors
	FileOpen $0 $INSTALL_DIR\etc\env.bat w
	IfErrors done_create_grass_environments.bat
	FileWrite $0 '@echo off$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem # File dynamically created by NSIS installer script;$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem # Environmental variables for GRASS stand-alone installer$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_SH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin\sh.exe$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_HTML_BROWSER=explorer"$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_PYTHON=$PYINTERPRETER$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PYTHONHOME=$PYHOME$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_PROJSHARE=%GISBASE%\share\proj$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PROJ_LIB=%GISBASE%\share\proj$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GDAL_DATA=%GISBASE%\share\gdal$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GEOTIFF_CSV=%GISBASE%\share\epsg_csv$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\extrabin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\bin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileClose $0
SectionEnd

Do you see any better way to implement this, avoiding to generate the env.bat file?

How can I define as optional to set the path to the python interpreter and to the python home in the GUI? Where should I add the description with the python requirements (numpy, wxpython, etc)?

There is a way to view/test the modified NSIS file?

in reply to:  12 ; comment:13 by martinl, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

There is a way to view/test the modified NSIS file?

Ideal place would be trunk (+ daily builds). Unfortunately daily builds of winGRASS 7.1 (trunk) are completely broken (1)* thanks to r60679 (so called "magic to break the whole system"). We could probably try to fix it first(?).

  • basically every command currently fails 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
 File "c:/osgeo4w/usr/src/grass_trunk/dist.i686-pc-mingw32/scripts/d.out.file.py", line 59, in <module> 
   main() 
 File "c:/osgeo4w/usr/src/grass_trunk/dist.i686-pc-mingw32/scripts/d.out.file.py", line 44, in main 
   options, flags = gcore.parser() 
 File "c:\osgeo4w\usr\src\grass_trunk\dist.i686-pc-mingw32\etc\python\grass\script\core.py", line 647, in parser 
   p = Popen(['g.parser', '-n'] + argv, stdout=PIPE) 
 File "c:\OSGeo4W\apps\Python27\lib\subprocess.py", line 711, in __init__ 
   errread, errwrite) 
 File "c:\OSGeo4W\apps\Python27\lib\subprocess.py", line 948, in _execute_child 
   startupinfo) 
WindowsError: [Error 2] Systzt uveden soubor

in reply to:  13 ; comment:14 by zarch, 10 years ago

Hi Martin,

Replying to martinl:

Replying to zarch:

There is a way to view/test the modified NSIS file?

Ideal place would be trunk (+ daily builds). Unfortunately daily builds of winGRASS 7.1 (trunk) are completely broken (1)* thanks to r60679 (so called "magic to break the whole system"). We could probably try to fix it first(?).

If I interpreted correctly [0], the solution should be to generate the .bat files for each GRASS module/scripts written in python, right?.

Do you think that could be possible to generate the .bat files in the NSIS file during the installation process?

Do you think that the NSIS file is the correct place where these .bat files should be generated or we should put this action in some other place during the installation process?

Pietro

[0] ​https://www.mail-archive.com/grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org/msg35001.html

in reply to:  14 ; comment:15 by martinl, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

If I interpreted correctly [0], the solution should be to generate the .bat files for each GRASS module/scripts written in python, right?.

no, r60679 simply broke running all commands (ie. also running exe files from python), see the traceback from the previous comment.

in reply to:  14 comment:16 by martinl, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

Do you think that could be possible to generate the .bat files in the NSIS file during the installation process?

in GRASS 6 bat files are generated by building system source:grass/branches/releasebranch_6_4/include/Make/Script.make#L26​. I have local patch for that on my machine, but I still hope that r60679 will be somehow fixed firstly.

in reply to:  15 comment:17 by martinl, 10 years ago

Replying to martinl:

Replying to zarch:

If I interpreted correctly [0], the solution should be to generate the .bat files for each GRASS module/scripts written in python, right?.

no, r60679 simply broke running all commands (ie. also running exe files from python), see the traceback from the previous comment.

​http://wingrass.fsv.cvut.cz/grass71/logs/log-r60827-992/

in reply to:  12 comment:18 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

Replying to hellik:

Replying to zarch:

ok, next week I will try to look in to the nsis script to see if it is possible to add this option during the installation process.

some steps may be:

  • add e new installer gui-section "Customize python" (or something like that)
  • add some explanations to the gui-section "Customize python": e.g. compatible wxpython, numpy, matplotlib, etc. are needed, ...
  • default option: %GRASS_PYTHON% is the packaged python
  • user option: ask the user for the %PATH% to the user wanted python


Thank you Helmut for your help.

I'm not sure If I understood how to add a new section, I wrote: 

Section "Customize python" CustomizePython
	;Declares variables for optional Python interpreter
	Var /GLOBAL PYINTERPRETER
	Var /GLOBAL PYHOME

	;Set default values for the Python Interpreter
	${If} $ASK_FOR_PYINTERP == "NO"
		StrCpy $PYINTERPRETER "%GISBASE%\extrabin\python.exe"
	${Else}
		StrCpy $PYINTERPRETER "$INST_PYINTERP"
	${EndIf}

	;Set default values for the Python home folder
	${If} $ASK_FOR_PYHOME == "NO"
		StrCpy $PYHOME "%GISBASE%\Python27"
	${Else}
		StrCpy $PYHOME "$INST_PYHOME"
	${EndIf}


	;Create the etc\env.bat
	ClearErrors
	FileOpen $0 $INSTALL_DIR\etc\env.bat w
	IfErrors done_create_grass_environments.bat
	FileWrite $0 '@echo off$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem # File dynamically created by NSIS installer script;$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem # Environmental variables for GRASS stand-alone installer$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'rem #########################################################################$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_SH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin\sh.exe$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_HTML_BROWSER=explorer"$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_PYTHON=$PYINTERPRETER$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PYTHONHOME=$PYHOME$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GRASS_PROJSHARE=%GISBASE%\share\proj$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PROJ_LIB=%GISBASE%\share\proj$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GDAL_DATA=%GISBASE%\share\gdal$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set GEOTIFF_CSV=%GISBASE%\share\epsg_csv$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 '$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\msys\bin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\extrabin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileWrite $0 'set PATH=%GISBASE%\bin;%PATH%$\r$\n'
	FileClose $0
SectionEnd

Do you see any better way to implement this, avoiding to generate the env.bat file?

How can I define as optional to set the path to the python interpreter and to the python home in the GUI? Where should I add the description with the python requirements (numpy, wxpython, etc)?

There is a way to view/test the modified NSIS file?

Hi Pietro,

I'm travelling, no chance to look at it at the moment.

there is no need to write a new env.bat file, just replace the path string in the existing env.bat.

Helmut

in reply to:  15 ; comment:19 by glynn, 10 years ago

Replying to martinl:

If I interpreted correctly [0], the solution should be to generate the .bat files for each GRASS module/scripts written in python, right?.

no, r60679 simply broke running all commands (ie. also running exe files from python), see the traceback from the previous comment.

Ugh. So without shell=True it requires an explicit .exe suffix if the program has a dot in its name. And with shell=True, it interprets characters such as "|", "<", ">" and I don't know what else.

So, do we mimic the shell (locate the program and determine its suffix), or use it (and determine the escaping rules so that "special" character get passed through to the underlying program correctly)?

I still don't consider the previous approach (use the shell, don't bother escaping anything) to be a viable solution.

in reply to:  19 ; comment:20 by martinl, 10 years ago

Replying to glynn:

So, do we mimic the shell (locate the program and determine its suffix), or use it (and

There was something similar installed for Python scripts (1). One option would be to load all commands to an internal directory (similarly to wxGUI) when loading python script library 

{ 'bat': [], 'exe': ['g.parser', ...] }

rather then determining it's suffix for every command separately.

I still don't consider the previous approach (use the shell, don't bother escaping anything) to be a viable solution.

Using shell=True seems to be less problematic to me, is it problem to determine escaping rules for special characters (I know only about pipe problem till now).

(1) ​http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/changeset/60679/grass/trunk/lib/python/script/core.py (L56)

in reply to:  12 comment:21 by hellik, 10 years ago

Replying to zarch:

I'm not sure If I understood how to add a new section, I wrote:

sorry, it's not a section, it should be a python costumize-page:

see ​http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Docs/Modern%20UI/Readme.html

see 3. Pages and Custom pages in the manual.

still travelling ...

in reply to:  20 comment:22 by glynn, 10 years ago

Replying to martinl:

So, do we mimic the shell (locate the program and determine its suffix), or use it (and

There was something similar installed for Python scripts (1).

Right. But if we take that route, it should apply to everything. And if the extension isn't one which CreateProcess() handles directly (exe, bat, cmd, what else?), we should set shell=True (and ideally perform any necessary escaping).

IOW, something like: 

class Popen(subprocess.Popen):
    def __init__(self, args, ...):
        if sys.platform == 'win32' and isinstance(args, list):
            cmd = shutil_which(args[0])
            args = [cmd] + args[1:]
            name, ext = os.path.splitext(cmd)
            if ext.lower() not in ['.exe', '.bat', '.cmd']:
                shell = True
                args = [escape_for_shell(arg) for arg in args]
        subprocess.Popen.__init__(self, args, shell=shell, ...)

I still don't consider the previous approach (use the shell, don't bother escaping anything) to be a viable solution.

Using shell=True seems to be less problematic to me, is it problem to determine escaping rules for special characters (I know only about pipe problem till now).

I'm unsure what the rules are, whether they're sufficient (i.e. whether there are sequences which simply cannot be passed), or whether I'd trust any documentation to be accurate. I also don't know whether there are any other gotchas (ANSI-versus-OEM codepage issues?). But we don't really have a choice; execution of arbitrary scripts has to go through the shell one way or another. The main thing is that we don't get the shell involved unless we have to (i.e. we don't do it for EXEs).

The specific issue with the parser() function can be dealt with by using 'g.parser.exe' on Windows. And it should probably use subprocess.Popen() directly rather than grass.script.Popen(), to avoid any issues with whatever magic may be added to the latter. Executing g.parser with shell=True may be where the need for double-escaping was coming from.

comment:23 by wenzeslaus, 10 years ago

The things related to invocation are mainly tracked by #2150 but the original requirement is still valid whatever is the outcome of #2150.

comment:24 by annakrat, 8 years ago

It seems Pietro got pretty close to solving this, any possibility we could restart the attempts? The patch may need a review by Helmut and then we can apply it to trunk? I would be glad to test it.

in reply to:  24 ; comment:25 by hellik, 8 years ago

Replying to annakrat:

It seems Pietro got pretty close to solving this, any possibility we could restart the attempts? The patch may need a review by Helmut and then we can apply it to trunk? I would be glad to test it.

the patch needs some review as the nsis-script changed a lot since then (e.g. 32bit/64bit, changes in env.bat, ...).

there are some open questions:

  • should there in the standalone installer be only the option to choose the python interpreter or also some check of needed dependencies (wxwidgets, python win api etc.)? for example my system wide python installation (installed by another software) isn't compatible to run winGRASS out of the box
  • how/if should such an option implemented in OSGeo4W-winGRASS too? if not, there would be disparity between different platforms on windows (standalone, OSGeo4W, QGIS bundled). how should our users deal with these many different variants? e.g. for myself I never work with the standalone installer, prefer the OSGeo4W-environment as there are quite a lot tools, which can easily be updated.
  • ...

in reply to:  25 ; comment:26 by wenzeslaus, 8 years ago

Replying to hellik:

should there in the standalone installer be only the option to choose the python interpreter or also some check of needed dependencies (wxwidgets, python win api etc.)? for example my system wide python installation (installed by another software) isn't compatible to run winGRASS out of the box

In ticket 580 Michael is saying that wxPython is bundled with GRASS GIS and the system Python is used. Is there a way to do something like this on Windows?

how/if should such an option implemented in OSGeo4W-winGRASS too?

It would have to be implemented for the whole OSGeo4W I suppose. The reason for doing it there is the same as for the standalone version. OSGeo4W doesn't contain all the packages available through pip and it doesn't contain pip.

if not, there would be disparity between different platforms on windows (standalone, OSGeo4W, QGIS bundled).

I think the idea is to make it more similar across operating system. On Linux, one does not have to install Python packages for GRASS separately or do some workaround to get the already installed there. Mac OS X works the same if you are (very) lucky.

OSGeo4W, QGIS-bundled or whatever-bundled might need to use the internal Python option. Are the install scripts able to handle two options or it is too difficult?

how should our users deal with these many different variants? e.g. for myself I never work with the standalone installer, prefer the OSGeo4W-environment as there are quite a lot tools, which can easily be updated.

There are already different variants. And unless all OSGeo projects agree on using OSGeo4W exclusively, we will always have them. With installation of additional packages, I'm not worried about them much. I'm more worried about them in regard to #2873, but still, Linux, Mac and standalone would/could be the same, OSGeo4W and QGIS-bundled would be different.

in reply to:  26 ; comment:27 by hellik, 8 years ago

Replying to wenzeslaus:

Replying to hellik:

should there in the standalone installer be only the option to choose the python interpreter or also some check of needed dependencies (wxwidgets, python win api etc.)? for example my system wide python installation (installed by another software) isn't compatible to run winGRASS out of the box

In ticket 580 Michael is saying that wxPython is bundled with GRASS GIS and the system Python is used. Is there a way to do something like this on Windows?

as mentioned at other places, there is no system wide python in windows at all. users has to do the install for themself, also all the packages

how/if should such an option implemented in OSGeo4W-winGRASS too?

It would have to be implemented for the whole OSGeo4W I suppose. The reason for doing it there is the same as for the standalone version. OSGeo4W doesn't contain all the packages available through pip and it doesn't contain pip.

what about to improve the situation in the underlying Osgeo4w? There are already some starting efforts regarding pip etc.

if not, there would be disparity between different platforms on windows (standalone, OSGeo4W, QGIS bundled).

I think the idea is to make it more similar across operating system. On Linux, one does not have to install Python packages for GRASS separately or do some workaround to get the already installed there. Mac OS X works the same if you are (very) lucky.

OSGeo4W, QGIS-bundled or whatever-bundled might need to use the internal Python option. Are the install scripts able to handle two options or it is too difficult?

how should our users deal with these many different variants? e.g. for myself I never work with the standalone installer, prefer the OSGeo4W-environment as there are quite a lot tools, which can easily be updated.

There are already different variants. And unless all OSGeo projects agree on using OSGeo4W exclusively, we will always have them. With installation of additional packages, I'm not worried about them much. I'm more worried about them in regard to #2873, but still, Linux, Mac and standalone would/could be the same, OSGeo4W and QGIS-bundled would be different.

I'm not quite sure about the effort regarding overcome the differences of OS at software level. but that's a personal point of view. If you look at the QGIS ticket at using "system wide python". there is at least some concern at the windows site of life.

in reply to:  27 comment:28 by wenzeslaus, 8 years ago

Replying to hellik:

as mentioned at other places, there is no system wide python in windows at all. users has to do the install for themself, also all the packages

Right. Python installed ahead which is on path, registry or whatever is appropriate - that's what I mean by system Python.

It would have to be implemented for the whole OSGeo4W I suppose. The reason for doing it there is the same as for the standalone version. OSGeo4W doesn't contain all the packages available through pip and it doesn't contain pip.

what about to improve the situation in the underlying Osgeo4w?

Good approach. I guess this ticket would still apply standalone installer?

There are already some starting efforts regarding pip etc.

Do you have some more info about it? Only thing I know is not really encouraging: ​my question regarding pip from September 2015 and ​answer to it from November.

Even if we ignore the issue that user have to remember to install every package twice (I guess common on MS Windows), this still doesn't solve the issue of using the same Python from a Python editor and GRASS or using GRASS and ArcGIS together (both being a common request).

comment:29 by neteler, 8 years ago

Milestone: 7.1.0 → 7.2.0

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