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| | 12 | <Fxprunayre> Hello bluenetsp |
| | 13 | <bluenetsp> Hi Francois |
| | 14 | <Fxprunayre> how are you ? |
| | 15 | <bluenetsp> Good and you? I can see you guys are going to keep a french repository! |
| | 16 | <Fxprunayre> yep, a french sandbox |
| | 17 | rather than an other repository |
| | 18 | <bluenetsp> yep - should be good for dev efforts |
| | 19 | <Fxprunayre> Pierre was using an other repository for geosource project since 2006 |
| | 20 | better to keep all geonetwork flavour in the same env |
| | 21 | <bluenetsp> Yep |
| | 22 | <Fxprunayre> I'll probably ask for a swiss one also in the comming month |
| | 23 | <bluenetsp> How are we going to integrate all these into the trunk> The $640000 question |
| | 24 | <Fxprunayre> :) |
| | 25 | <bluenetsp> suppose the first thing is to get everyone to say what they've been working on? |
| | 26 | <Fxprunayre> for geosource, we only merge what we think is mature enough to get into the trunk (and we can afford in our contract) |
| | 27 | then some people ask to merge as much things as possible into trunk |
| | 28 | but then require more works |
| | 29 | <bluenetsp> yep - we get the same pressure they don't like not being in the trunk |
| | 30 | <Fxprunayre> the idea of using the proposal could help |
| | 31 | because you make your dev, then a patch for the proposal |
| | 32 | and push this into the trunk |
| | 33 | but usually, you do everything, and at the end start trying to make patch and that's complex |
| | 34 | <bluenetsp> thats it - also we could be working on the same things - which might make integration harder |
| | 35 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 36 | <bluenetsp> how about our editor stuff? |
| | 37 | <Fxprunayre> and sometimes we also wait for people porting to trunk to start working on it |
| | 38 | i like your editor |
| | 39 | and would like to work on it ;) |
| | 40 | <bluenetsp> Yep - it needs all the help it can get :-) |
| | 41 | perhaps a brief run down on whats in it? |
| | 42 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 43 | <bluenetsp> 1. ajax controls +,x,^,v 2. xsd validation messages, 3. and just recently upload/download via ajax interface |
| | 44 | Things not done: tabs still submit the form :-( |
| | 45 | <Fxprunayre> that's not critical |
| | 46 | I think |
| | 47 | xsd validation display error next to the element ? |
| | 48 | <bluenetsp> yep |
| | 49 | <Fxprunayre> I have done ajax control for tabs, but submit the form also |
| | 50 | you also have popup for privileges and category |
| | 51 | <bluenetsp> yep - the popup is also used for the upload/download stuff to separate it from the form |
| | 52 | haven't done the thumbnails in popup yet or our creative commons constraint builder |
| | 53 | <Fxprunayre> Do you know if Jeroen plan to join us ? |
| | 54 | <bluenetsp> I thought he was going to |
| | 55 | <Fxprunayre> ok will see |
| | 56 | These changes for the editor are easy to merge to trunk ? |
| | 57 | <bluenetsp> Yep - that should be ok - but the editor/viewer is handled in a separate window - not sure how that will go down |
| | 58 | <Fxprunayre> should not be so different ? |
| | 59 | <bluenetsp> some talk earlier on dev about breaking the back button |
| | 60 | <Fxprunayre> the back button is not on the editor, it's the cancel one ? |
| | 61 | From my side, on the editor, I've made popup to select a parentIdentifier, select a service URL from metadata on services which could be useful in trunk. |
| | 62 | On going XLink support |
| | 63 | <bluenetsp> parentIdentifier definitely useful here |
| | 64 | how does the service url selector work? |
| | 65 | <Fxprunayre> the issue on parentIdentifier is when you index on record, you need to index the parent also |
| | 66 | If you use iso19119 to store metadat aon service, then you display all services available in the catalogue and allow user to select on in the distribution / onlinesrc section |
| | 67 | Then I plan to add multilingual editing support ... |
| | 68 | <bluenetsp> serviceidentifier mods would also be excellent |
| | 69 | <Fxprunayre> and would like to do that in your new ajax editor if possible |
| | 70 | <bluenetsp> on parentidentifier: does the child inherit elements from the parent? |
| | 71 | <Fxprunayre> no |
| | 72 | it's a link |
| | 73 | and we have an action to update all children (only some elements) |
| | 74 | but that's a bit dangerous I think |
| | 75 | <bluenetsp> how does the parent know about its children? its not in the metadata? |
| | 76 | <Fxprunayre> it's in the children metadata and in the index |
| | 77 | so you could search for children |
| | 78 | <bluenetsp> yes of course - using lucene to find them |
| | 79 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 80 | you also have to have parents and children in the same catalogue |
| | 81 | <bluenetsp> yep - same catalogue - could be useful down here as we have lots of metadata with these relationships |
| | 82 | <Fxprunayre> linking series and datasets? |
| | 83 | <bluenetsp> yep and using that for other kinds of hierarchies based on scale and project |
| | 84 | <Fxprunayre> ok |
| | 85 | I suppose you don't have to work on multilingual metadata record in australia ? |
| | 86 | <bluenetsp> you're welcome to use the editor - its in the sandbox and probably won't change significantly now - I have to do a harvester for thredds/opendap |
| | 87 | <Fxprunayre> what's thredds ? |
| | 88 | <bluenetsp> multilingual? most Australians don't even know how to speak english :-) |
| | 89 | <Fxprunayre> :) |
| | 90 | <bluenetsp> thredds is a catalogue for earth science datasets |
| | 91 | usually netcdf, hdf format |
| | 92 | <Fxprunayre> link to geosciml ? |
| | 93 | <bluenetsp> possibly but the main users are actually marine and oceanography |
| | 94 | they don't have their act together like the geosciml people |
| | 95 | <Fxprunayre> ok |
| | 96 | We made change on Lucene adding geographic search support (under test) |
| | 97 | <bluenetsp> thredds can catalogue time series data from these files and can let users download via opendap and just recently a web coverage service |
| | 98 | <Fxprunayre> nice, and use iso also I suppose |
| | 99 | <bluenetsp> no iso yet - but the catalogues have useful metadata in them which we'll use the harvester to convert to iso |
| | 100 | <Fxprunayre> Have you been playing with geonetwork CSW ? |
| | 101 | we're (Mathieu) going to do a code review and add missing operation (Harvest, Transaction) |
| | 102 | <bluenetsp> only to add profiles - not much really - we have need to let people do transactional stuff |
| | 103 | <Fxprunayre> Profil are not supported for now. I made some change to the XSL to handle gco:isoType for profil |
| | 104 | some search criteria are missing also |
| | 105 | <bluenetsp> yep - lucene + spatial could help there as could a spatial db I suppose |
| | 106 | <Fxprunayre> no |
| | 107 | creating a shapefile on indexing process |
| | 108 | keeping the shapeile index in memory |
| | 109 | and apply a lucene filter after lucene search |
| | 110 | <bluenetsp> nice |
| | 111 | <Fxprunayre> sounds good and we're currently working on the search interface remplacing intermap by openlayers |
| | 112 | which allows to draw polygons |
| | 113 | for search criteria |
| | 114 | then no spatial db should be necessary. |
| | 115 | <bluenetsp> this would also be great! |
| | 116 | <Fxprunayre> should have live demo at the end of november |
| | 117 | do you think we could run down the list of proposal and see what could be include in trunk ? |
| | 118 | <bluenetsp> in the new sandbox? |
| | 119 | <Fxprunayre> the swiss one ;) |
| | 120 | server side is ok, but client side start |
| | 121 | <bluenetsp> Francois the changes you've mentioned above would be excellent |
| | 122 | to do away with the need for a spatial db but get the spatial ops in the csw would open up more users down here |
| | 123 | <Fxprunayre> Yep I was not in favour of adding a spatial db if performance was ok ... and looks to be fine. |
| | 124 | <bluenetsp> yep on the proposals - looking at the list |
| | 125 | <Fxprunayre> from your side do you have time to work on merging some stuff to trunk ? |
| | 126 | and do you prefer to merge many features in one patch ? |
| | 127 | <bluenetsp> time is difficult I think for all I guess but it has to be done - no 2.3 otherwise |
| | 128 | <Fxprunayre> yep I think so |
| | 129 | we don't have to merge everything also |
| | 130 | <bluenetsp> I think I'd like to merge as much stuff as possible for the beta - but separating it out could be time consuming |
| | 131 | <Fxprunayre> I think you have to make it easy as possible |
| | 132 | <bluenetsp> do you have things to add to the editor now? we could just apply it in one go I think |
| | 133 | <Fxprunayre> I would prefer to wait as I'm still making update for the project in switzerland (end begining of next year) |
| | 134 | <bluenetsp> ok - so that makes it easier I suppose |
| | 135 | <Fxprunayre> but SlectionManager and MetadataImport |
| | 136 | could be merged |
| | 137 | and does not overlap to much with the editor |
| | 138 | <bluenetsp> yep selection manager + we've added massive ownership, categories and privileges via blind |
| | 139 | <Fxprunayre> so you could take care of the selection manager ? and I could do MetadataImport interface. |
| | 140 | <bluenetsp> yep |
| | 141 | <Fxprunayre> do you think that's possible in the coming month ? |
| | 142 | <bluenetsp> yep |
| | 143 | I would like to merge the editor |
| | 144 | and the modal box stuff (you call it popup) for rest of the interface as well |
| | 145 | <Fxprunayre> Did you discuss with that with Jeroen ? if we could propose a PSC vote for all editor enhancements ? |
| | 146 | I suppose that the editor is linked to xsl v2 migration and profils support ? |
| | 147 | <bluenetsp> Yes - but xsl v2 can happen bit by bit |
| | 148 | <Fxprunayre> ok we don't have to migrate everything |
| | 149 | for what xsl v2 is needed ? |
| | 150 | <bluenetsp> I've been using saxon for ages instead of xalan - not tested under xalan |
| | 151 | <Fxprunayre> ok |
| | 152 | what time is it in Tasmania ? |
| | 153 | <bluenetsp> xsl v2 only used in some places where offers shorter code |
| | 154 | 7:10pm |
| | 155 | <Fxprunayre> not sure Jeroen and others will join today |
| | 156 | <bluenetsp> doesn't look like it |
| | 157 | I think we could also merge the compressing http responses proposal |
| | 158 | <Fxprunayre> that's imply jeeves modification ? |
| | 159 | or only jetty configuration |
| | 160 | <bluenetsp> servlet filter so doesn't matter |
| | 161 | which container |
| | 162 | Jeeves is an issue as well - we have our own copy in the sandbox |
| | 163 | <Fxprunayre> yep we also have |
| | 164 | <bluenetsp> has quite a few small mods to it |
| | 165 | <Fxprunayre> so we should propose to have one in geonetwork as well maybe |
| | 166 | or have commit access to Jeeves |
| | 167 | <bluenetsp> yep - its pretty big load for Jeroen or other jeeves admins otherwise |
| | 168 | <Fxprunayre> we should ask the questions to the list |
| | 169 | <bluenetsp> perhaps get Jeroen's outlook on that too |
| | 170 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 171 | <bluenetsp> well - I have a list of stuff to do now at least |
| | 172 | <Fxprunayre> Ok will update the trac list proposals to show what could be done now |
| | 173 | <bluenetsp> yep - I think that at least from our end we've defined what will be in 2.3? Others need to add their timelines |
| | 174 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 175 | <bluenetsp> I think I'll edit the editor proposal to make it up to date |
| | 176 | at least say what is to be in 2.3 and shift the other stuff into future releases heading |
| | 177 | <Fxprunayre> yep I'm doing it now |
| | 178 | done |
| | 179 | is Shibboleth done in the bluenet ? |
| | 180 | <bluenetsp> yes - not tested in anger yet |
| | 181 | any major use of shib in France/EU |
| | 182 | <Fxprunayre> not so much |
| | 183 | ldap/CAS yep but not many shib |
| | 184 | <bluenetsp> we have an old ldap implementation but I've been reluctant to revive it |
| | 185 | becaue not sure how scaleable |
| | 186 | <Fxprunayre> are you using the ldap in GeoNetwork ? |
| | 187 | <bluenetsp> uses a special geonetwork ldap with its own schema - this ldap has links to other ldaps to do authentication |
| | 188 | <Fxprunayre> the issue in GeoNetwokr is that you need to have user defined in the ldap AND in geonetwork |
| | 189 | <bluenetsp> no |
| | 190 | we had users and groups in ldap and everything else in database |
| | 191 | <Fxprunayre> how do you define groups for each user |
| | 192 | ? |
| | 193 | <bluenetsp> used groups like unix groups in geonetwork ldap schema |
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| | 195 | <Fxprunayre> ok need to have a look to the documentation |
| | 196 | :) |
| | 197 | <bluenetsp> its quite flexible - can even have groups of groups |
| | 198 | troiuble is I think the connectiopns to the ldap need to be pooled |
| | 199 | hence my worries about scaleability |
| | 200 | <Fxprunayre> do you have guys working on DB connection pooling in the container instead of Jeeves ? |
| | 201 | <bluenetsp> that is Stephen Davies at GA - don't know whether there stuff is going to come out to everyone else |
| | 202 | <Fxprunayre> I was discussing that with Stephen Davies |
| | 203 | on the list |
| | 204 | ok |
| | 205 | <bluenetsp> he did request commit rights - but not sure what happened to the request |
| | 206 | this is a bit of an issue - not sure how requests are supposed to be handled like that |
| | 207 | its hard work for one person Jeroen to have to do that |
| | 208 | <Fxprunayre> yep |
| | 209 | <bluenetsp> how are you handling other people who want to commit to the French sandbox? |
| | 210 | <Fxprunayre> they are not so much ? |
| | 211 | <bluenetsp> sorry if thats a blunt question |
| | 212 | <Fxprunayre> but hope their will be more in the coming month |
| | 213 | do you have a mailing list for bluenet ? |
| | 214 | and a website for download ? |
| | 215 | <bluenetsp> yep - its gone quiet |
| | 216 | yep |
| | 217 | anzlicmet.bluenet.utas.edu.au |
| | 218 | time to go home here - 7:35PM - thanks for the discussion Francois! |
| | 219 | and the reorg of 2.3 tasks |
| | 220 | <Fxprunayre> yep will send an email for Jeroen and update the trac |
| | 221 | have a good night |
| | 222 | <bluenetsp> have a good day :-) thanks and see you |
| | 223 | <Fxprunayre> ciao |
