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<Fxprunayre> Hello bluenetsp
<bluenetsp> Hi Francois
<Fxprunayre> how are you ?
<bluenetsp> Good and you? I can see you guys are going to keep a french repository!
<Fxprunayre> yep, a french sandbox
 rather than an other repository
<bluenetsp> yep - should be good for dev efforts
<Fxprunayre> Pierre was using an other repository for geosource project since 2006
 better to keep all geonetwork flavour in the same env
<bluenetsp> Yep
<Fxprunayre> I'll probably ask for a swiss one also in the comming month
<bluenetsp> How are we going to integrate all these into the trunk> The $640000 question
<Fxprunayre> :)
<bluenetsp> suppose the first thing is to get everyone to say what they've been working on?
<Fxprunayre> for geosource, we only merge what we think is mature enough to get into the trunk (and we can afford in our contract)
 then some people ask to merge as much things as possible into trunk
 but then require more works
<bluenetsp> yep - we get the same pressure they don't like not being in the trunk
<Fxprunayre> the idea of using the proposal could help
 because you make your dev, then a patch for the proposal
 and push this into the trunk
 but usually, you do everything, and at the end start trying to make patch and that's complex
<bluenetsp> thats it - also we could be working on the same things - which might make integration harder
<Fxprunayre> yep
<bluenetsp> how about our editor stuff?
<Fxprunayre> and sometimes we also wait for people porting to trunk to start working on it
 i like your editor
 and would like to work on it ;)
<bluenetsp> Yep - it needs all the help it can get :-)
 perhaps a brief run down on whats in it?
<Fxprunayre> yep
<bluenetsp> 1. ajax controls +,x,^,v 2. xsd validation messages, 3. and just recently upload/download via ajax interface
 Things not done: tabs still submit the form :-(
<Fxprunayre> that's not critical
 I think
 xsd validation display error next to the element ?
<bluenetsp> yep
<Fxprunayre> I have done ajax control for tabs, but submit the form also
 you also have popup for privileges and category
<bluenetsp> yep - the popup is also used for the upload/download stuff to separate it from the form
 haven't done the thumbnails in popup yet or our creative commons constraint builder
<Fxprunayre> Do you know if Jeroen plan to join us ?
<bluenetsp> I thought he was going to
<Fxprunayre> ok will see
 These changes for the editor are easy to merge to trunk ?
<bluenetsp> Yep - that should be ok - but the editor/viewer is handled in a separate window - not sure how that will go down
<Fxprunayre> should not be so different ?
<bluenetsp> some talk earlier on dev about breaking the back button
<Fxprunayre> the back button is not on the editor, it's the cancel one ?
 From my side, on the editor, I've made popup to select a parentIdentifier, select a service URL from metadata on services which could be useful in trunk.
 On going XLink support
<bluenetsp> parentIdentifier definitely useful here
 how does the service url selector work?
<Fxprunayre> the issue on parentIdentifier is when you index on record, you need to index the parent also
 If you use iso19119 to store metadat aon service, then you display all services available in the catalogue and allow user to select on in the distribution / onlinesrc section
 Then I plan to add multilingual editing support ... 
<bluenetsp> serviceidentifier mods would also be excellent
<Fxprunayre> and would like to do that in your new ajax editor if possible
<bluenetsp> on parentidentifier: does the child inherit elements from the parent?
<Fxprunayre> no
 it's a link
 and we have an action to update all children (only some elements)
 but that's a bit dangerous I think
<bluenetsp> how does the parent know about its children? its not in the metadata?
<Fxprunayre> it's in the children metadata and in the index
 so you could search for children
<bluenetsp> yes of course - using lucene to find them
<Fxprunayre> yep
 you also have to have parents and children in the same catalogue
<bluenetsp> yep - same catalogue - could be useful down here as we have lots of metadata with these relationships
<Fxprunayre> linking series and  datasets?
<bluenetsp> yep and using that for other kinds of hierarchies based on scale and project
<Fxprunayre> ok
 I suppose you don't have to work on multilingual metadata record in australia ?
<bluenetsp> you're welcome to use the editor - its in the sandbox and probably won't change significantly now - I have to do a harvester for thredds/opendap
<Fxprunayre> what's thredds ?
<bluenetsp> multilingual? most Australians don't even know how to speak english :-)
<Fxprunayre> :)
<bluenetsp> thredds is a catalogue for earth science datasets
 usually netcdf, hdf format
<Fxprunayre> link to geosciml ?
<bluenetsp> possibly but the main users are actually marine and oceanography
 they don't have their act together like the geosciml people
<Fxprunayre> ok
 We made change on Lucene adding geographic search support (under test)
<bluenetsp> thredds can catalogue time series data from these files and can let users download via opendap and just recently a web coverage service
<Fxprunayre> nice, and use iso also I suppose
<bluenetsp> no iso yet - but the catalogues have useful metadata in them which we'll use the harvester to convert to iso
<Fxprunayre> Have you been playing with geonetwork CSW ?
 we're (Mathieu) going to do a code review and add missing operation (Harvest, Transaction)
<bluenetsp> only to add profiles - not much really - we have need to let people do transactional stuff
<Fxprunayre> Profil are not supported for now. I made some change to the XSL to handle gco:isoType for profil
 some search criteria are missing also
<bluenetsp> yep - lucene + spatial could help there as could a spatial db I suppose
<Fxprunayre> no
 creating a shapefile on indexing process
 keeping the shapeile index in memory
 and apply a lucene filter after lucene search
<bluenetsp> nice
<Fxprunayre> sounds good and we're currently working on the search interface remplacing intermap by openlayers
 which allows to draw polygons
 for search criteria
 then no spatial db should be necessary.
<bluenetsp> this would also be great!
<Fxprunayre> should have live demo at the end of november
 do you think we could run down the list of proposal and see what could be include in trunk ?
<bluenetsp> in the new sandbox?
<Fxprunayre> the swiss one ;)
 server side is ok, but client side start
<bluenetsp> Francois the changes you've mentioned above would be excellent
 to do away with the need for a spatial db but get the spatial ops in the csw would open up more users down here
<Fxprunayre> Yep I was not in favour of adding a spatial db if performance was ok ... and looks to be fine.
<bluenetsp> yep on the proposals - looking at the list
<Fxprunayre> from your side do you have time to work on merging some stuff to trunk ?
 and do you prefer to merge many features in one patch ?
<bluenetsp> time is difficult I think for all I guess but it has to be done - no 2.3 otherwise
<Fxprunayre> yep I think so
 we don't have to merge everything also
<bluenetsp> I think I'd like to merge as much stuff as possible for the beta - but separating it out could be time consuming
<Fxprunayre> I think you have to make it easy as possible
<bluenetsp> do you have things to add to the editor now? we could just apply it in one go I think
<Fxprunayre> I would prefer to wait as I'm still making update for the project in switzerland (end begining of next year)
<bluenetsp> ok - so that makes it easier I suppose
<Fxprunayre> but SlectionManager and MetadataImport
 could be merged
 and does not overlap to much with the editor
<bluenetsp> yep selection manager + we've added massive ownership, categories and privileges via blind
<Fxprunayre> so you could take care of the selection manager ? and I could do MetadataImport interface.
<bluenetsp> yep
<Fxprunayre> do you think that's possible in the coming month ?
<bluenetsp> yep
 I would like to merge the editor
 and the modal box stuff (you call it popup) for rest of the interface as well
<Fxprunayre> Did you discuss with that with Jeroen ? if we could propose a PSC vote for all editor enhancements ?
 I suppose that the editor is linked to xsl v2 migration and profils support ?
<bluenetsp> Yes - but xsl v2 can happen bit by bit
<Fxprunayre> ok we don't have to migrate everything
 for what xsl v2 is needed ?
<bluenetsp> I've been using saxon for ages instead of xalan - not tested under xalan
<Fxprunayre> ok
 what time is it in Tasmania ?
<bluenetsp> xsl v2 only used in some places where offers shorter code
 7:10pm
<Fxprunayre> not sure Jeroen and others will join today
<bluenetsp> doesn't look like it
 I think we could also merge the compressing http responses proposal
<Fxprunayre> that's imply jeeves  modification ?
 or only jetty configuration
<bluenetsp> servlet filter so doesn't matter
 which container
 Jeeves is an issue as well - we have our own copy in the sandbox
<Fxprunayre> yep we also have
<bluenetsp> has quite a few small mods to it
<Fxprunayre> so we should propose to have one in geonetwork as well maybe
 or have commit access to Jeeves
<bluenetsp> yep - its pretty big load for Jeroen or other jeeves admins otherwise
<Fxprunayre> we should ask the questions to the list
<bluenetsp> perhaps get Jeroen's outlook on that too
<Fxprunayre> yep
<bluenetsp> well - I have a list of stuff to do now at least
<Fxprunayre> Ok will update the trac list proposals to show what could be done now
<bluenetsp> yep - I think that at least from our end we've defined what will be in 2.3? Others need to add their timelines
<Fxprunayre> yep
<bluenetsp> I think I'll edit the editor proposal to make it up to date
 at least say what is to be in 2.3 and shift the other stuff into future releases heading
<Fxprunayre> yep I'm doing it now 
 done
 is Shibboleth done in the bluenet ? 
<bluenetsp> yes - not tested in anger yet
 any major use of shib in France/EU
<Fxprunayre> not so much 
 ldap/CAS yep but not many shib 
<bluenetsp> we have an old ldap implementation but I've been reluctant to revive it
 becaue not sure how scaleable
<Fxprunayre> are you using the ldap in GeoNetwork ?
<bluenetsp> uses a special geonetwork ldap with its own schema - this ldap has links to other ldaps to do authentication
<Fxprunayre> the issue in GeoNetwokr is that you need to have user defined in the ldap AND in geonetwork
<bluenetsp> no
 we had users and groups in ldap and everything else in database
<Fxprunayre> how do you define groups for each user
 ?
<bluenetsp> used groups like unix groups in geonetwork ldap schema
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<Fxprunayre> ok need to have a look to the documentation
 :)
<bluenetsp> its quite flexible - can even have groups of groups
 troiuble is I think the connectiopns to the ldap need to be pooled
 hence my worries about scaleability
<Fxprunayre> do you have guys working on DB connection pooling in the container instead of Jeeves ?
<bluenetsp> that is Stephen Davies at GA - don't know whether there stuff is going to come out to everyone else
<Fxprunayre> I was discussing that with Stephen Davies 
 on the list
 ok
<bluenetsp> he did request commit rights - but not sure what happened to the request
 this is a bit of an issue - not sure how requests are supposed to be handled like that
 its hard work for one person Jeroen to have to do that
<Fxprunayre> yep
<bluenetsp> how are you handling other people who want to commit to the French sandbox?
<Fxprunayre> they are not so much ? 
<bluenetsp> sorry if thats a blunt question
<Fxprunayre> but hope their will be more in the coming month
 do you have a mailing list for bluenet ?
 and a website for download ?
<bluenetsp> yep - its gone quiet
 yep
 anzlicmet.bluenet.utas.edu.au
 time to go home here - 7:35PM - thanks for the discussion Francois!
 and the reorg of 2.3 tasks
<Fxprunayre> yep will send an email for Jeroen and update the trac
 have a good night
<bluenetsp> have a good day :-) thanks and see you
<Fxprunayre> ciao