GRASS plugin can't select GISBASE on OSX

[hamish_nospam@…]

QGIS 0.8 preview 2 binaries from qgis.org
Mac OSX 10.4 PPC minimac
GRASS 6.2.0beta2 binary (unreleased testing version from Lorenzo)

Hi,

If I start the GRASS plugin it requests the GISBASE directory, but then it won't let me get there. The grass6.app dir is greyed out in the "Open" dialog box.

GISBASE is: /Applications/Grass/grass6.app/Contents/Resources/grass-6.2.0beta2

If I start QGIS from within GRASS (using Lorenzo's d.qgis extension) QGIS loads up with working GRASS support (can display maps, get to toolbox, etc)

thanks, Hamish

ps - no bug priority "normal"?

[g_j_m]

Same problem as the now closed #255?

[wonder]

Replying to g_j_m:

Same problem as the now closed #255?

I don't think so, it looks like something OSX and file chooser specific...

[hamish_nospam@…]

This is not user error as to the meaning of $GISBASE. I can't select the $GISBASE dir as it is greyed out.

Hamish

[rblazek]

Works for me on Linux. It seems to be OSX specific. It is using QFileDialog::getExistingDirectory

Troll doc: "Under Windows and Mac OS X, this static function will use the native file dialog and not a QFileDialog. On Mac OS X, the dir argument is ignored, the native dialog always displays the last visited directory."

I have no idea why it should not work on OSX.

Radim

[hamish_nospam@…]

Hint:

The folder is in /Applications/Grass/grass6.app/ but the File Dialog automatically translates the directory name into "grass6" dropping the ".app". (If you look in the Applications folder you just see the program names without .app). I expect this name munging is the root of the problem.

AFAICT there is no way to type $GISBASE by hand in the OSX GUI, you must pick with the mouse.

Is the value stored in a text file (or sqlite db) in ~/.qgis/ or somewhere where I can hack it in manually?

Q: [cc grass-dev] if I symlink $GISBASE to something else not in /Apps/*.app/ then point QGIS to the symlink, will I enter into a world of pain?

Hamish

[hamish_nospam@…]

William Kyngesburye wrote:

A couple notes on the problem.

Hamish wrote:

I am trying to work around this QGIS GRASS-plugin bug:  https://svn.qgis.org/trac/ticket/346 (the OSX file picker won't let me select GISBASE which is within a subdirectory of /Apps/GRASS.app/; it's greyed out)

Indeed, on OSX you can't navigate into an application package. And, depending on Finder options, you may or may not see the .app extension. If it's a valid GRASS installation and was built against that particular GRASS, it should work - a unix path can refer to something inside an app package with no problem. As long as that GRASS is not moved, Qgis GRASS plugin should find it and not ask for a GISBASE. Once GRASS is moved, Qgis needs to ask where it now is.

If I start QGIS from the GRASS command line (your 6.2.1 package), then $GISBASE is already set and the GRASS plugin works, but $GISBASE is not stored.

If I start QGIS from outside GRASS it asks for GISBASE, but then I run into the GRASS.app/ selection problem.

Indeed setting $GISBASE as an enviro var before launching QGIS from a (non-GRASS) Terminal gets it to work.

Also to note WRT hardcoding paths: The first thing I did after installing your GRASS.app was to rename it GRASS_6.2.1.app. Too many machines in the student computer lab to keep track of details otherwise. Also have that in a /Apps/Grass/ folder, as I store PDF instructions manuals there too.

One solution I can think of, and that I'll probably do with my Qgis binary in the future, is to package the necessary GRASS libraries and support in the Qgis app. That way there are no worries of moving GRASS around and having to set GISBASE, or making sure you have the right GRASS version. It works for me with my GDAL framework - currently my Qgis build uses the GRASS libraries I have in my GDAL framework. I wonder - are you using the Qgis.org download of Qgis and trying to use my GRASS.app with it? This email implies that, though your Qgis bug says Lorenzo's. There *may* be library version incompatibilities.

I am now working with the 0.8pre2 binary from qgis.org + your 6.2.1 package + your 17 Dec frameworks package.

Earlier I was working with Lorenzo's 6.2.0beta2 package + grasslibs. These are now outdated & removed.

As for hacking the path, ~/Library/Preferences/org.qgis.qgis.plist. Don't know the setting name to use, though. Maybe GRASS.GISBASE?

Yes, on the mac it seems to be ~/Library/Preferences/org.qgis.qgis.plist But it is a binary file I don't know how to modify/browse that?

On linux it is stored in ~/.qt/qgisrc as a simple text file:

[grass]
gisbase=...

so "GRASS.GISBASE" is a good guess.

Or you could try using the GRASS libraries inside my GDAL framework - you can navigate into a framework package. Or try my Qgis build ^_

In the future perhaps, but for now I would like to help fix this problem at the root.

----- William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
 http://www.kyngchaos.com/[[BR]]
All generalizations are dangerous, even this one.

cheers, Hamish

[hamish_nospam@…]

[fwd from the grass-dev mailing list]

From: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos com>
Cc: grass-dev grass.itc it
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] running with GISBASE as a symlink?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006
To: Hamish <hamish_nospam yahoo com>

Hamish wrote:

Also to note WRT hardcoding paths: The first thing I did after installing your GRASS.app was to rename it GRASS_6.2.1.app. Too many machines in the student computer lab to keep track of details otherwise. Also have that in a /Apps/Grass/ folder, as I store PDF instructions manuals there too.

I was thinking about the qgis.org build of qgis. My guess is that it was built with Lorenzo's Grass, so that's where Qgis is going to try by default. Renaming mine to the same as Lorenzo's (as a possibility) probably wouldn't work because the internals are organized differently.

As for hacking the path, ~/Library/Preferences/org.qgis.qgis.plist. Don't know the setting name to use, though. Maybe GRASS.GISBASE?

Yes, on the mac it seems to be ~/Library/Preferences/ org.qgis.qgis.plist But it is a binary file I don't know how to modify/browse that? On linux it is stored in ~/.qt/qgisrc as a simple text file: [grass] gisbase=... so "GRASS.GISBASE" is a good guess.

I hadn't noticed that it's a binary plist. I have the Xcode tools installed, so it opens in Property List Editor. I think there's a non-Xcode plist editor out there somewhere (shareware/freeware).

Or you could try using the GRASS libraries inside my GDAL framework - you can navigate into a framework package. Or try my Qgis build ^_

In the future perhaps, but for now I would like to help fix this problem at the root.

Well, for workarounds, we can't do much about the OSX limitation (except maybe the symlink, or the plist hacking). A rebuild of Qgis to use some other GRASS is another possibility (the internal Grass library idea would be a good choice).

Since you have my frameworks installed, the GRASS libs inside the GDAL framework should work - I specifically tweaked that to support Qgis, in addition to GDAL. This would be a usable short-term solution, but I'm working on removing external linking to GDAL.framework internals, and the Qgis-GRASS link is the last one left. My next Qgis build will have GRASS libs embedded. Don't know what Qgis.org will do with theirs, if anything.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure relocating GISBASE will fully work. When you start Qgis from within GRASS, do the GRASS functions of the plugin actually work?

The problem I'm thinking of is the actual library links in the Qgis GRASS plugin. They are hardcoded for the GRASS there were built with, and I don't see a DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH used in Qgis, like it is in the GRASS init.sh. Possibly it will work when started from GRASS, since it might pick up the GRASS environment. But initiated from Qgis, it doesn't appear to use GISBASE to set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, and so won't find the original GRASS libraries. (did that make sense?)

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William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos kyngchaos com>
 http://www.kyngchaos.com/

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[hamish_nospam@…]

[fwd from the grass-dev mailing list]

From: William Kyngesburye <woklist kyngchaos com>
Cc: GRASS developers list <grass-dev grass.itc it>
Reply-To: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos kyngchaos com>
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] running with GISBASE as a symlink?
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006
To: Hamish <hamish_nospam yahoo com>

Oops, used wrong account to send last reply. Anyways, my brain wouldn't let me sleep on this - I figured out a way to get around the OSX package limitation:

1. in the Finder, contextual menu on GRASS.app and Show Package Contents

2. command-option-drag the "Contents" folder to the desktop to create an alias

3. run Qgis and do what you need to do to get it to ask for GISBASE

4. use the alias on the desktop to navigate into the GRASS.app package! Then you can locate and select your GISBASE.

'night

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William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos@…>
 http://www.kyngchaos.com/

[hamish_nospam@…]

Ok, I have been trying to get QGIS + GRASS toolbox to work with a full GRASS install. I have not been trying to get QGIS to work with GRASS files included in the QGIS package download.

I took the following to mean that it included the GRASS plugin, not that it included functional copies of the ported modules + minimum framework to allow those to run.

^{1 All packages contain GRASS support unless otherwise indicated.}

Am I mistaken? Does the qgis.org 0.8pre2 OSX build include parts of grass? I see libgrass_* in lib/grass/, and plugin bits in share/qgis/grass/.

If QGIS supplies enough GRASS to be self-contained, then presumably GISBASE becomes /Apps/qgis.app/something/? At which point it should be changed to automatically pick the internal (relative) location instead of prompting for an external GISBASE.

If not, why is QGIS distributing lib/grass/libgrass*.dylib?

some more tests:
* creating a shorcut on the desktop to GRASS.app/Resources/ then pointing QGIS's GISBASE file dialog to that gets you started, but it fails when you try and run a module (eg v.buffer)

* v.buffer works ok if QGIS was started from the GRASS terminal prompt.

* work-around idea: add 'export GISBASE="/Apps/GRASS.app/..."' to .bash_profile (no luck running a module)

When QGIS is started from outside GRASS, at the terminal:

$ GISBASE=/Apps/GRASS.app/.../Resources /Apps/qgis.app/.../qgis

I open a GRASS mapset from the plugin menu, but when I click on a module I get this error:

Warning: Cannot read module description (v.to.rast) Unexpected end of file at line 1 column 1

sometimes when reclosing mapset I get this error:

Cannot close mapset. Cannot remove map set lock: /.../$MAPSET/.gislock

and in the term window:

dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/grass-6.2.1/lib/libgrass_gproj.dylib Referenced from: /Apps/GRASS.app/.../r.in.gdal Reason: image not found

I've never had GRASS in /usr/local/ on that machine...

I tried setting "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$GISBASE/lib", no luck.

When QGIS was started from within GRASS, it works fine and automatically picks up the current mapset.

Hamish

[hamish_nospam@…]

From: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos kyngchaos com>
Cc: grass-dev grass.itc it
Subject: Re: [GRASS-dev] running with GISBASE as a symlink?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006
To: Hamish <hamish_nospam yahoo com>

On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:27 PM, Hamish wrote:

I took the following to mean that it included the GRASS plugin, not that it included functional copies of the ported modules + minimum framework to allow those to run. 1 All packages contain GRASS support unless otherwise indicated.

I took a look at the qgis.org Qgis, and it appears to me like the grass libs in the package are just for library linking for the GRASS plugin/provider. A couple things that are normally found in the GRASS etc folder are missing for QGis to consider this a "GISBASE".

some more tests: * creating a shorcut on the desktop to GRASS.app/Resources/ then pointing QGIS's GISBASE file dialog to that gets you started, but it fails when you try and run a module (eg v.buffer)

Might be the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH problem again. Or PATH missing the GRASS bin and scripts folders.

* v.buffer works ok if QGIS was started from the GRASS terminal prompt.

sometimes when reclosing mapset I get this error: Cannot close mapset. Cannot remove map set lock: /.../ $MAPSET/.gislock and in the term window: dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/grass-6.2.1/lib/ libgrass_gproj.dylib Referenced from: /Apps/GRASS.app/.../r.in.gdal Reason: image not found I've never had GRASS in /usr/local/ on that machine...

That would be the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH problem. Without the full GRASS environment, GRASS commands can't find the GRASS libraries - it's trying the original build location. Perhaps Qgis needs to do more environment setup, like GRASS does in init.sh?

I tried setting "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$GISBASE/lib", no luck.

DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH

Looking at the grass init.sh, there are a few environment variables that Qgis might need to set, if it doesn't already, based on GISBASE, or that you could try from the Terminal as a test:

PATH, to find the GRASS module executables and scripts
DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, for the libraries
ETC, for support for some modules

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William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos kyngchaos com>
 http://www.kyngchaos.com/

[timlinux]

Moved to milestone 0.8.2 since we wont be fixing any further issues before the 0.8.1 release

[telwertowski]

Use Qt file dialog instead of Mac native dialog since it will allow browsing inside bundles to locate the GISBASE folder. Fixed in r7334.

[anonymous]

Milestone Version 0.8.2 deleted