[wiki:ProjectSteeringCommittee Project Steering Committee - Home] == Meeting Info == The twelth meeting of the !MapGuide PSC will take place Thursday Septermber 6th at 18:00 UTC (1:00 PM ET / 11:00 AM MT / 10:00 AM PT). Meeting Chair: Bob Bray Universal Time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=8&day=2&year=2007&hour=11&min=0&sec=0&p1=55 Location: The meeting will be held on IRC at [irc://irc.freenode.net/mapguide #mapguide] == Agenda == * Open == Actions == * PSC will meet face-2-face at FOSS4G, Bob to create an Agenda page. * Roadmap to be updated for 2.0, target Alpha for end of Oct. == Transcript == {{{ Bruce will be absent today he is on vacation. Tom will most likely be late -->| danmo (n=dmorisse@157-146.svr.royaume.com) has joined #mapguide I'm here. Fire alarm - test only :) Hey looks like you and me. HarisK you around? I'm here as well * danmo lurking Hi That's enough for a vote :) OK, so we have Harris, Jason, Andy, and myself. Bruce is on vacation, Tom is in a meeting. As is Paul No he will be late too. Any agenda items? I did not have any for today. lurking for Paul Maybe talk a bit about roadmap, putting more realistic dates to it Also, f2f at FOSS4g? Let's start with the later. Who will be as FOSS4G? I will be there. Sunday night through Thursday afternoon. Me! I will be there everyday except Wednesday (don't ask). I have to check with Tom and Bruce, I think Bruce can be there but I bet Tom cannot. Nathalie has planned a BOF and given most of us are there a F2F meeting of the PSC would be good. We should start a wiki page agenda for that soon. After? At a pub? :) Definitely. I'll buy! I am there at saturday I'll _really_ be there then. :) Jason when you say after, do you mean one evening or Thursday evening? I could do that Monday night, my girlfriend arrives on Tuesday so will be with her that evening. Weds is the banquet night. I kind of like Monday night. Isn't there a mixer at the Strathcona that night? Not that it really matters... Monday works OK for me. OK. I will start an agenda page on the wiki. Cool. Feel free to add to it once it is up. I'm sure we'll be talking about the REST stuff by then :) hope so. Let's talk Roadmap. I see that the BOF for MGOS is Tues from 4:45 to 7:00 K. That's right. http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/FOSS4G2007_BOF_Sessions Yes the BOF is Tuesday night, and I will miss it. I have to be on a plane. Nothing like being double-booked..... bummer. Yea That's OK, Nathalie can do all the talking :) So when can we realistically release a 2.0 beta 1? And what will be in it, besides Fusion? I personally still like late October. I know we can have the ISAPI and the Apache mod in by then. And Fusion should be code complete. hi all Hey Paul. Cool. Maybe an alpha? :) It would be nice to get automated builds running. Maybe I'll bug Mat again at the conference and see if his head is still exploding. Paul: We decided to have a F2F at FOSS on Monday night (I am buying). Hi Bob F2F? face to face :) ah * pagameba catches up Don't all of the current RFC's (including the FastCGI one) target 1.3? Those should be updated if there's not going to be another point release. Yes... Yes, we'll do that. Last meeting I think we decided on 2.0 instead of 1.3 Yep I'm guessing that none of the defects (including those applied to 1.2) are critical enough for a 1.2.1? I like the alpha idea. Especially with all the new stuff. Is ISAPi extension and Apache mod already in progress ? Yes. What' you're not subscribed to the commits list? :) We may need a 1.2.1 if we get some high priority bugs. I missed that, I would check it But i would like to reserve judgement on 1.2.1 until a reason comes up. HarisK: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapguide-commits Also for fdo in http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/fdo-commits was there rfc about ISAPI extension ? http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MapGuideRfc22 ? HarisK, you voted +1 :) rbray: OK. I saw a note on the users list from a person that couldn't deploy 1.2 because of an outstanding defect. lol yes, sorry I forgot about that I did not see that e-mail. Guess we should think about a 1.2.1 then. It looks like I developed second extension :) * pagameba wonders if we should update the status of some RFCs, or add another column to indicate if it was implemented and in which version HarisK: Can we merge them? That would be cool... to both pagameba and rbray I need to look how is implemented I would certainly like to Paul: Sounds like you have volunteered to update the RFC page :) argh so it is in svn now ? Yes I believe so. http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/browser/trunk/MgDev/Web/src/ApacheAgent thanks, sorry for interuptions http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/browser/trunk/MgDev/Web/src/ApacheAgent doh: http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/browser/trunk/MgDev/Web/src/IsapiAgent Huh. Wonder if we could get that REST stuff into 2.0 :) Depends when it will be done and when we want to release. I now remebber looking into this code basically what I diid supoprts all of that + http-live connection + working threads pool + json anyhow, it is compatible Are you sure that live connections is a good idea? MapGuide: stevedang * r1974 /trunk/MgDev/Oem/dbxml-2.3.10/ (15063 files in 887 dirs): MapGuide: MapGuide RFC 23: Berkeley DB XML 2.3 Upgrade. MapGuide: - Check in source code. yes the DBXML upgrade is also part of 2.0. I'm thinking about scale rather than individual user responsiveness. Heh :) CIA knows when to pipe up :) * pagameba has updated http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MapGuideRfcs RFC 20 is out of date IS Rfc20 dead in the water because of the requirement to re-associate a session with a different user? Not sure. I'll have to check on it here. This is also in: http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MapGuideRfc26 I like the concept but embedding the user id in the session won't work No You need a way of polling the session for its userid. Assuming 26 gets approved. Didn't we vote on that already? If so the page is out of date. Bob asked earlier if there was a target date for 2.0? Yes he did I think mid/end October for a alpha/beta would be good but I don't know what we can complete by then by we, I mean ADSK :) I am leaning toward Alpha at the end of Oct. I dropped the ball on 26; I started the motion but did not say it passed or update the page. I'll talk to Trevor about RFC 20. It is interesting. And the outlined approach is not good. So Harris, when do you think the REST stuff might be completed? whatever I will say I will lie Ha my plans are for end of year that will included FDO Rest as well OK, then maybe that is a 2.1 feature unless it magically gets done before the first RC HarisK: have you looked at FeatureServer? FDO rest? yes but not very much ( python ) http://featureserver.org/ yes I have protoype of FDO rest also FeatureServer follows a great model. Yes. Wouldnt that be exposign FeatureService and hence FDO, but through MG? I've been meaning to help Crschmidt hack FDO support into it. if you do FDO rest along the same lines then the same clients can use it I kind of like to put fdo web service on it own Might get together at foss4g. Then you lose some stuff, like connection pooling, and other things MG adds. Joins. idea is to have also fdo rest fdo provider :) Extended expression support, and more. yes, my opinion is that part should go from mapGuide to FDO middle tier I guess I am confused. We need a whiteboard. so any client can benefit from things like FDO caching Oh, move FeatureService outside of MapGuide... caching , logging, spatial security to FDO middle tier Hmm, Feature Service depends on Resource Servive. HarisK: MG does a bunch of that. Why pull it out? Why not extend what is there? So you don't have to install MapGuide to expose your features. I think fdo HAVE A FEATURE NOT JUST WITH mAPgUIDE Oops :) sorry my caps lock what I mean is that fdo can be used with other applications as well and have caching, joins, secutiy... Difference of opinion here I think. You can use Feature Service without using any other features of MG I suppose for example that Autodesk MAp and Mapguide both imlements it's own fdo connecton caching And you get the benefits of pooling, joins, etc. While reusing the server infrastructure. I'm not sure that I would want an entire MapGuide install on my feature serving servers... This sounds like a good discussion for the F2F. I am not against it, jus trying to understand. I see FDO as spatial data service and MapGuide as stylization service Ohhh. GIS service too HarisK OK, I see things differently. For me, MapGuide is a geospatial server that exposes a number of different services. this are just my preliminary thoughts, lot of work to be done to get some protoypes and feeling how it works including spatial data, stylization, and content management. Let's continue this at the F2F. Sounds good... ok I'll try and get the Roadmap page in Trac updated. Other topics for today? Silence, means we are done. When should we meet again? At FOSS? Not from me. I would like to ensure that we can meet like this on a regular basis though... if only to talk. Yes, FOSS next. ok, let's adjourn then. Thanks everyone! thanks bye! bye }}}