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The eighth meeting of the MapGuide PSC will take place Thursday March 8th at 18:00 UTC (1:00 PM EST / 11:00 AM MST / 10:00 AM PST).

Meeting Chair: Bob Bray Universal Time: ​http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=03&day=08&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=0

Location: The meeting will be held on IRC at ​#mapguide

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        <rbray>	Looks like I am late. Are we ready to start?
	<jasonbirch>	Sure.
	<rbray>	You added lots of stuff. Shall we start with Goc?
	<jasonbirch>	Complaining? Sounds good.
	<rbray>	All mentors need a Google account. Can we just add that info onto the wiki?
	<rbray>	Do we have all the projects we want listed?
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	<jasonbirch>	Add it here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/2007_Google_SoC_Application
	<sigq>	Title: 2007 Google SoC Application - OSGEO (at wiki.osgeo.org)
	<jasonbirch>	I'd love to see more stuff done (especially the JSON output from MapAgent, and Java SWIG changes) but can't step up for those.
	<rbray>	I'd like to add one project for adding Web Services APIs (SOAP/REST/etc) to MG
	<rbray>	We can get someone here to mentor the JSON output and/or Java SWIG enhancements.
	<rbray>	I think.
	<jasonbirch>	lol
	<jasonbirch>	overcommiting? :)
	<rbray>	Only if we get students on all of them :)
	<jasonbirch>	That should be REST/SOAP/etc... SOAP is painful and overkill, and I'm tired of having it crammed down my throat by "enterprise" apps :)
	<jasonbirch>	How do you see these working? Just for the MapAgent stuff?
	<jasonbirch>	Or as a generic framework for application development?
	<rbray>	Could be either. I'd like a more general approach to expose all the Service APIs to start. Then we can add to that.
	<jasonbirch>	Sounds great to me.
	<jasonbirch>	JSON could be added as an output type to those?
	<rbray>	That would make sense to me. Especially if it's REST based.
	<rbray>	My main goal would be to get a framework in place that we could later extend though. Something we can start experimenting with.
	<jasonbirch>	Sounds good to me.
	<Haris>	perhaps xml-rpc is something to consider to
	<jasonbirch>	And updating MapGuide through blog posts :)
	<jasonbirch>	I've added some actions around SoC here: http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/PscMeeting03-08-2007 These are pretty time-sensitive.
	<sigq>	Title: PscMeeting03-08-2007 - MapGuide Open Source - Trac (at trac.osgeo.org)
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	<jasonbirch>	everyone OK?
	<rbray>	Sorry, I got interupted by the phone. Back now.
	<bdechant>	Yup still here
	<jasonbirch>	afk. lucky you didn't get sniped :)
	<rbray>	Can everyone please update the GoC page by? Whats the required timeline, anyone know?
	<rbray>	Haris: XML-RPC is a good option too. Lighter than SOAP...
	<rbray>	Harris: so I'll add it to my project description as an option.
	<jasonbirch>	real soon now.
	<Haris>	yes much easier to start with
	<rbray>	Let's say end of the week for the page to be complete, with google ids for all mentors. Sound ok?
	<jasonbirch>	Haris, Paul, can you add a few more words to your descriptions? Assume the students don't know much about MapGuide
	<Haris>	ok, I will do that
	<rbray>	Jason: Paul is the absent PSC member today.
	<jasonbirch>	March 12 is the application deadline. If we can do it be end of day today, it would be better. Not sure how possible that is.
	<jasonbirch>	Hmm. Must be working on my stuff :)
	<rbray>	I can add my Web Service on today.
	<rbray>	Maybe he is helping with that FGS installer :)
	<jasonbirch>	Better not be... :)
	<jasonbirch>	I'll flesh out the Swig one. Not sure what to say about JSON. Can you incorporate it in WS?
	<rbray>	Ok, let's try and get the updates done today. Jason can you send a reminder on the PSC list after the meeting?
	<jasonbirch>	Sure
	<rbray>	Jason: Yes I can do that. Trevor Wekel would be the mentor on Java/SWIG.
	<jasonbirch>	Can you ask him to send me his google account?
	<jasonbirch>	Or just enter it into the OSGeo application?
	<rbray>	Have all of our projects been copied into the application?
	<jasonbirch>	Not yet.
	<jasonbirch>	Linked currently.
	<rbray>	OK good. I'll ask him to send you his id or update the page.
	<rbray>	Ok, anything else on GoC before we move on?
	<Haris>	Jason, Is tommorow morning (CET time ) to late ?
	<jasonbirch>	No Haris, I'm sure it's fine.
	<rbray>	Ok, next topic: Doxygen.
	<jasonbirch>	I think that's mine :)
	<jasonbirch>	I'd really like to see a couple things: generation of the PHP search script that is an option, and including inherited methods/properties in the class defintions.
	<jasonbirch>	I could play around with this myself, but would like the existing conf file to start with...
	<rbray>	Inherited methods are there. Just click the All Methods link.
	<rbray>	I'll ask pubs to commit the config file. I did not realize it was not part of the repository.
	<jasonbirch>	? where's the All Methods link?
	<rbray>	In each class page.
	<jasonbirch>	Oh found it I think. All Members. I find the system odd. It seems like there are two pages for each class or something.
	<rbray>	Yea, there may be a cleaner way by tweaking the config file. I don't know much about it.
	<rbray>	Search enabling is pretty easy.
	<jasonbirch>	Looks that way.
	<rbray>	Frank would like us to cut down the size of the output too, but I am not sure what to cut.
	<jasonbirch>	Hmm. Our documentation is proprietary :) Is it going to piss folks off if I start messing with it?
	<jasonbirch>	(sorry, documentation DEVELOPMENT PROCESS)
	<rbray>	Not if the Open Source build uses it's own config file.
	<rbray>	We we should be doing anyway.
	<rbray>	We = Which
	<jasonbirch>	Just need a few more volunteers :)
	<jasonbirch>	I'm pretty happy with the activity on the mailing list these days, btw.
	<rbray>	Yes it is pretty balanced, with a lot more folks answering.
	<rbray>	Its not just the Jason and Andy show :)
	<rbray>	So if I get all this doxygen stuff added should I add a ticket and assign it to you?
	<jasonbirch>	Having core developer involvement is still pretty darn important too :)
	<Andy_Morsell>	(Thankfully)
	<jasonbirch>	Sure :) I'd like to see a quick fix that adds the search script.
	<jasonbirch>	And I'm sure that Andy_Morsell would too :)
	<rbray>	Hey helping OS users is actually part of our goals.
	<Andy_Morsell>	I've been clamoring for searching ever since the switch to Doxygen.
	<jasonbirch>	Performance measures?
	<rbray>	Yep. It's great because it shows corporate commitment.
	<rbray>	Does anyone care for the diagrams in Doxygen. Maybe that would be a way to cut down size.
	<jasonbirch>	There are a few items I could do without.
	<jasonbirch>	I do like the inheritance diagrams though.
	<jasonbirch>	It's the huge graphs that aren't all that useful for me.
	<Andy_Morsell>	They're almost impossible to read at screen resolution (maybe a wall poster would work) so I could live without the super granular diagrams.
	<jasonbirch>	I'll try a few configs anyway... and maybe post them on my site.
	<jasonbirch>	Sometime in December.
	<jasonbirch>	hey, reload your browsers, I added an agenda item.
	<jasonbirch>	So...
	<rbray>	Doh
	<jasonbirch>	In general, this page really needs some work: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/MapGuide_Project_Update_-_2007_Q1
	<sigq>	Title: MapGuide Project Update - 2007 Q1 - OSGEO (at wiki.osgeo.org)
	<rbray>	Ok, we are running out of time fast. Lets move on.
	<rbray>	Yes it does. Do you know Tylers deadline?
	<jasonbirch>	If everyone could add some important items, add verbiage, maybe link to some implementations, then that would be great.
	<jasonbirch>	Timeline is here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Newsletter_Volume_1
	<sigq>	Title: Newsletter Volume 1 - OSGEO (at wiki.osgeo.org)
	<TomMGOS>	I'll look up and add the dates of some of the other releases
	<rbray>	Ok, so we have a couple of weeks. I can certainly add some stuff next week.
	<rbray>	BTW - Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this Jason.
	<jasonbirch>	On a personal note, I could really use some short notes on the history of proprietary MG for the article I'm behind on. I only came into it in 2001, and missed the whole ADSK acquisition, etc, etc. I didn't even get ColdFusion bundled with my second license. I'd be happy to get an input off-list. And I'll be expecting quotes from all of you at some point in the article. danmo included.
	<jasonbirch>	OK, so over next week, can everyone look at that page and update as possible?
	<Andy_Morsell>	Yes. Man, you're a busy guy Jason. I really don't know how you're doing all of this........
	<rbray>	Jason, did you grab the stuff from the About page?
	<jasonbirch>	(me neither)
	<jasonbirch>	There's an about page? :)
	<rbray>	Yes it has some history. I can elaborate if you want more.
	<rbray>	mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html.
	<jasonbirch>	That's useful. Must have read it at some point, but I don't remember.
	<jasonbirch>	I'll come to you for confirmation.
	<rbray>	Sounds good.
	<rbray>	Now what about BuildBot?
	<jasonbirch>	mloskot volunteered to help get us configured in April if we are. He'd done for FDO previously, but there didn't seem to be a lot of interest. Need to judge interest here first.
	<jasonbirch>	And there are Windows VMs avaliable with buildbot agents on them.
	<rbray>	Cool. Well I am all for it. I think public builds is a good next step for the project.
	<jasonbirch>	Here's FDO's broken (because of SVN changes) version: http://buildbot.osgeo.org:8501/
	<sigq>	Title: BuildBot: FDO (at buildbot.osgeo.org:8501)
	<rbray>	That is as long as I am not doing the work :)
	<jasonbirch>	My main reason for wanting this is that as we add platform support it will make sure that it is maintained.
	<jasonbirch>	And if it isn't, the appropriate developer gets "blamed" :)
	<rbray>	Yea, but at the moment BuildBot is only running on FC4 yes?
	<jasonbirch>	The server is, but I think there may be multple agents.
	<rbray>	Is the plan to run multiple VMs with different distros?
	<jasonbirch>	Maybe?
	<jasonbirch>	http://buildbot.osgeo.org:8500/
	<sigq>	Title: BuildBot: GDAL (at buildbot.osgeo.org:8500)
	<rbray>	Hmm, all the telescience blades are running FC4. Not sure thate are any outside agents.
	<jasonbirch>	http://buildbot.osgeo.org:8502/
	<sigq>	Title: BuildBot: PROJ.4 (at buildbot.osgeo.org:8502)
	<jasonbirch>	Both of these have different platforms building.
	<jasonbirch>	Some of the telescience blades are running Solaris I think :)
	<TomMGOS>	BTW, looks like the build bot for FDO needs to be updated to point to the new subversion repositories; that's why they are failing.
	<rbray>	How can you tell the platform?
	<jasonbirch>	Osmosis (I don't think it's documented)
	<jasonbirch>	TomMGOS: yes, but mloskot's been busy, and unsure whether anyone was benefiting from the FDO config.
	<rbray>	Click the build server link, there is a description. Sorry I am slow.
	<jasonbirch>	Oh. Good.
	<jasonbirch>	PPC build :)
	<TomMGOS>	Anyone can even force a build from there. Nice
	<rbray>	We are internally still doing nightlys using BuildForge. But limited in platform to Fedora/Redhat.
	<rbray>	It would be great to open this up to different platforms.
	<jasonbirch>	Right. Is it even possible to build MG from the commandline on Windows?
	<TomMGOS>	Yes, that's how we build it.
	<jasonbirch>	Would it be possible to add that stuff to the repository?
	<rbray>	We should probably document that magic at some point.
	<jasonbirch>	It's easy to do with FDO because there are bat files; I'm missing that in MG.
	<jasonbirch>	And I hate clicking in GUIs.
	<jasonbirch>	:)
	<rbray>	We'll have to look. I don't see why we could not add them to SVN.
	<jasonbirch>	OK, so there is interest in BuildBot. I'll let Mat know.
	<rbray>	Yep
	<rbray>	How is the PostGIS provider coming BTW. I have not seen a beta announcement yet.
	<jasonbirch>	Getting closer daily. Looking at Monday (no, not last Monday) now though :(
	<rbray>	I can't wait to try it out.
	<rbray>	Ok gang is that a wrap for today.
	<jasonbirch>	Me too. Thanks Bob.
	<rbray>	Ok, lets adjourn then. Thanks everyone.
	<Haris>	bye
	<jasonbirch>	I've posted actions here: +1
	<bdechant>	Bye
	<jasonbirch>	http://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/PscMeeting03-08-2007
	<sigq>	Title: PscMeeting03-08-2007 - MapGuide Open Source - Trac (at trac.osgeo.org)
	<jasonbirch>	(paste error :)
	<rbray>	Thanks Jason. I'll post the transcript shortly.
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